I think we just need a big truck, imo.

I don't know about SC having that big a market in Japan. Online architecture, that's more of a Korean thing than Japan. Japan has the works, but they really don't take their games online the way North Americans and Europeans do.

Also, Japanese gamers really play the game in really strange and different ways sometimes. Algol being overpowered? That's rich to me. I would have been content if all his moves were intact.

And Astaroth being nerfed... I don't know what the heck the Japanese players were doing. Were they getting pwnt by his moves all the time? I honestly didn't have much problems against him. Maybe encountered maybe three or four truly good Astaroth players in like 2000 games so far.

From looking at this patch Algol palystyle is going to have makeover for me. And 66A+G might become a ring out, sweet!!!!. And I just started using Voldo, I hope this new patch doesn't fuck him up too much.

It's not like Asta's knee was even lag abuse. I don't think online was the reason, if it was, then stuff like 2KB and Sophie's stuff would have been nerfed.

Then again, maybe Namco wants their games imbalanced, I know with Tekken they do.

Lol we haev to calm down abit since this isn't the end all final tuned patch. Asta knee being quite unsafe does hurt his midlow game to some extent but lets see what else he has. It still pops out fast and the like right.

Tekken 5->5.1 had the strangest changes to a majority of the cast making it just akward and not fun to play. Thank god for DR otherwise it'll die out on the spot.

The internet isn't just some giant truck that dumps things!

Yes... it isn't a big truck... its a series of tubes!

With hydrolics.

And big fat sound systems.

nightmare got ass raped in this patch. I am not downloading it when/if it comes to the US, i will just have to play a different version when I go to tournaments.

Makes sense.

Too much whining in this topic. Patches are going to change your favorite characters, get over it. Admittedly, some of these changes sound questionable, but it's not like this is the only balance patch we're going to get ever.

In any case, has it been tested whether or not that 1P/2P combo crap was fixed? I don't quite remember what it was, but Voldo was able to pull off a combo only if he was 2P or something.

I reeeeeeeeeeeeeeally don't see the point of nerfing Astaroth's knee. It's his fastest move, and it's not like people can't predict it, nor does it have the best priority, due to the small hitbox.

Hopefully there will be a full list out soon, and it had better not be made up of nerfs only to affect online play (nothing balances lag abuse).

Last I remembered, Asta's 6K evades high attacks, no?

@Tiamat: What did the patch actually do to Nightmare? I'd like to know, considering I use him so much.

He no longer get a guaranteed back throw from picking up opponents with FC A+G, for example.

Didn't his low throw get nerfed too?

NM nerfs:

YouTube - Nightmare @ 1.03 (1)
YouTube - Nightmare @ 1.03 (2)

While it's not as good as a guaranteed throw, he can still pull mixups from that.

Damn it... was anything else done to him?

No one should get a guaranteed back throw off of anything. That's ridiculous.

And wah wah wah I'll never do Setsuka's A+G throw again because it got nerfed wah wah.

Ooooh! Or better yet, I'll just calculate how many times I got it off in each tournament match and then I'll come back to the forums and show by questionable math how I SHOULD have won the tourny if Setsuka hadn't been NERFED TO HIGH HELL AND BACK OMG!!

Brilliant...


Look, people. You wanted Namco to give two shits and they're giving you one and a half. Consider it a compromise and deal with it.

Bullshit. I think it is fun and creative. It's not broken in any way.


they will continue to take away anything that is unique or good for quite a while I imagine. maybe a year and a half from now they will finally start doing upgrades.