It isn't? OH SHIT IM USING KILIK NOW!

Yay for no X/Talim/Starkiller nerfs...yet.

What a really stupid statement, I feel like I'm reading the WoW forums

I think Yoshi has been considered very high tier, while Kilik's been around upper-mid. I don't see why that's so odd he got nerfed and not Kilik. What I DO think is odd is how Voldo got the shaft. I haven't seen any "OMG **** VOLDOS, i am so sick of playing VOLDOS, if I see ONE MORE ****ING VOLDO" topics really.

Just because you dont see people crying about someone doesnt mean they arent good...

But nerfing Voldo over Sophie? Or Cass?

I'm just saying that if they chose Voldo instead of the sisters, it either means that they think Voldo needed it more (which i disagree with), the sisters are harder to nerf (which i highly doubt), or it was told to them by the community that Voldo needed to be nerfed (which i haven't seen at least). So it just doesn't make sense.

EITHER way, I'm happy they're at least patching, and would rather take this patch than no patch any day. And it'll only get better from here, so if they did too much harm to Voldo, they can always fix it down the road. It's not that hard.

Voldo is VERY good. He has one of the best soul crush games in the game, can ring out from the middle of the ring, has crazy combos (can do just about half life in one combo), is evasive, good mixups, and very safe. I'm not surprised in the least that he got a nerf.

@Isaac: I'm kinda confused about that as well. Maybe there are more complaints about Voldo in Japan than over here.

I am so happy japan thinks nightmare is horrible. lol

He isn't horrible but he's pretty bad when you fight against people who knows all of his stuff (GS game etc etc). I finally had to give up maining Nightmare after 4 games because the people I play really do know how to handle most if not all of his crap. It's frustrating to say the least. Luckily Hilde fits my playstyle really well so I decided to start maining her a bit after release.

I see nothing in the patch notes that suggest Namco is making an effort to balance the roster. What I do see is an attempt to address the inability of inexperienced players in dealing with certain moves, many of which weren't even considered abusive. One look at what happened to Asta's 6K and you know it was made to cater to people who spam moves and get killed because they eat the CH and don't know how to deal with the tech afterwards. Infinites and bugs needs fixing, not staples which many chars needed in order to compete.

@Ciernian: Coincidentally, many U.S. players think that Hilde is utter garbage. I'm still not sure about her, even with the combos that have shown up.

Kilik spammers use A+B, 6 A+B, 2 A+B and BB--all moves that decent players don't abuse for a reason. WS B isn't even used by noob spammers b/c it's too advanced for them. His A+B line while repetitively annoying to fight against doesn't make him overpowered.

All those moves are highly steppable..... and trust me, Namco cares less what scrubs do with Kilik.

What I wanna know is...how did they find an infinite with Tira we DIDN'T!!!!????? I'm so let down.

Just wondering... Did the Patch Request Thread have any influence?

Even if you nerfed everyone else...Kilik will still be mid-tier.

Voldo's damage and crushage are sick. See Chicago End of Summer Tournament for sauce.

only japanese have influence

The game is clearly balanced with online play in mind... This is one of the many reasons I hate the idea of games getting online play. People liked to say "if you don't like online play, nothing is forcing you to play it". But its not as simple as that, the changes made to the game because of the online play, affect you during offline play. The game is balanced for online, so offline balance gets the shaft.

Hell... they nerfed a Talim move! Offline she's the worst character in the game! Online... she's top tier.

Fair enough.

it's the sad truth